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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Keefer</title>
		<link>http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/e-learning-20-for-personal-and-group-learning/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Keefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, this is one of the best comments I have had in some time!

Wanted to respond sooner, but did not have Web access for a few days. Hope you subscribed to this comment (I do that and use co.mments for that reason), as am interested in your feedback.

I speak and teach all the time, and get the most interesting feedback from my learners when I use a form of Brookfield's Critical Incident Questionnaire (CIQ) and they tell me some of the things I come out with at times. These things happen, and while only a few of us blog about them (or so it seems), I sometimes wonder where else or how else our comments and thoughts get interpreted in ways in which we do not see.

I have not used LinkedIn much because I have never figured it out. It seems like a giant Facebook, but more for work. I have not seen how it can be used for much more than an online professional resume. While I have had an account for some time, I do not do much with it. I will, however, update my profile (or at least part of it right now, enough to remind me of what is there) and send you a link request. Perhaps you can point me to more examples of how it can be used for more than just a fan site? Even better, perhaps I will be able to follow your example with how it is used?

You bring up a good point about the handouts. I have become so fed-up with handouts and such while teaching, that I no longer hand out my slides. I always post them immediately after class so my students can get them if they want, but this way I encourage them to pay more attention rather than just stare at slides (that often are only high-level anyway). Amazing that I have seen that even slides with limited text still somehow preclude taking notes on them.

Finally, you do not seem defensive at all. Just the contrary--people often do not want to reflect on the responses others have, and as such conversation of this sort is not common in many of my experiences. I think this is healthy, and is what I refer to by the catchy term, "dialog." Amazing where it can lead! 

Better yet, who knows where it will lead?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, this is one of the best comments I have had in some time!</p>
<p>Wanted to respond sooner, but did not have Web access for a few days. Hope you subscribed to this comment (I do that and use co.mments for that reason), as am interested in your feedback.</p>
<p>I speak and teach all the time, and get the most interesting feedback from my learners when I use a form of Brookfield&#8217;s Critical Incident Questionnaire (CIQ) and they tell me some of the things I come out with at times. These things happen, and while only a few of us blog about them (or so it seems), I sometimes wonder where else or how else our comments and thoughts get interpreted in ways in which we do not see.</p>
<p>I have not used LinkedIn much because I have never figured it out. It seems like a giant Facebook, but more for work. I have not seen how it can be used for much more than an online professional resume. While I have had an account for some time, I do not do much with it. I will, however, update my profile (or at least part of it right now, enough to remind me of what is there) and send you a link request. Perhaps you can point me to more examples of how it can be used for more than just a fan site? Even better, perhaps I will be able to follow your example with how it is used?</p>
<p>You bring up a good point about the handouts. I have become so fed-up with handouts and such while teaching, that I no longer hand out my slides. I always post them immediately after class so my students can get them if they want, but this way I encourage them to pay more attention rather than just stare at slides (that often are only high-level anyway). Amazing that I have seen that even slides with limited text still somehow preclude taking notes on them.</p>
<p>Finally, you do not seem defensive at all. Just the contrary&#8211;people often do not want to reflect on the responses others have, and as such conversation of this sort is not common in many of my experiences. I think this is healthy, and is what I refer to by the catchy term, &#8220;dialog.&#8221; Amazing where it can lead! </p>
<p>Better yet, who knows where it will lead?!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Karrer</title>
		<link>http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/e-learning-20-for-personal-and-group-learning/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Karrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for live blogging.

Some random thoughts from your notes:

1. eHarmony - the founders of eHa2rmony didn't have any data on gay marriage and given their Christian roots I don't think (but not sure) believed in it.  Without the data, they would never have included it.  A family member of mine that is gay and I have had a couple of interesting discussions around that topic.  Okay, I'm way off topic.

2. Not using it appropriately - ouch - man did I mis-speak on that.  I meant to say that I could find opportunities to accomplish things in other ways.  Although if I was talking about Google search - maybe I said inappropriately - but I still would have preferred to say better.  Wow, I'm surprised I said that.  Shoot.

3. Curious if I will get you to use LinkedIn more ... you actually seem (given Twitter use) to be someone who would use LinkedIn.  Send me a link request and get into the eLearningGuild group.  Opens up more people.  Then when you have an expertise need likely you can find a few interesting conversations.  Just a thought.

4. Good suggestion on having more screen shots in the slides - interesting that I was limited to X number of pages (the number that I had).  It's a no win situation.  If your handout is different than your presentation - people scream bloody murder.  So, you learn not to put stuff like screen shots in there.  But maybe next time I'll do that.  Good input.

FYI - The slides are available - so no need for a camera.

Chris captured the sentiment exactly.

If I only had another 60 minutes we could have had a pretty interesting discussion about the implications.  Tough to do in that audience.

I probably sound defensive in these comments ... but really it's me thinking through what I did right / wrong and what I'll change.

Good news is that given the dysfunctional teams presentation - I feel like arguing is acceptable. :)

If you have further thoughts, I'm all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for live blogging.</p>
<p>Some random thoughts from your notes:</p>
<p>1. eHarmony - the founders of eHa2rmony didn&#8217;t have any data on gay marriage and given their Christian roots I don&#8217;t think (but not sure) believed in it.  Without the data, they would never have included it.  A family member of mine that is gay and I have had a couple of interesting discussions around that topic.  Okay, I&#8217;m way off topic.</p>
<p>2. Not using it appropriately - ouch - man did I mis-speak on that.  I meant to say that I could find opportunities to accomplish things in other ways.  Although if I was talking about Google search - maybe I said inappropriately - but I still would have preferred to say better.  Wow, I&#8217;m surprised I said that.  Shoot.</p>
<p>3. Curious if I will get you to use LinkedIn more &#8230; you actually seem (given Twitter use) to be someone who would use LinkedIn.  Send me a link request and get into the eLearningGuild group.  Opens up more people.  Then when you have an expertise need likely you can find a few interesting conversations.  Just a thought.</p>
<p>4. Good suggestion on having more screen shots in the slides - interesting that I was limited to X number of pages (the number that I had).  It&#8217;s a no win situation.  If your handout is different than your presentation - people scream bloody murder.  So, you learn not to put stuff like screen shots in there.  But maybe next time I&#8217;ll do that.  Good input.</p>
<p>FYI - The slides are available - so no need for a camera.</p>
<p>Chris captured the sentiment exactly.</p>
<p>If I only had another 60 minutes we could have had a pretty interesting discussion about the implications.  Tough to do in that audience.</p>
<p>I probably sound defensive in these comments &#8230; but really it&#8217;s me thinking through what I did right / wrong and what I&#8217;ll change.</p>
<p>Good news is that given the dysfunctional teams presentation - I feel like arguing is acceptable. <img src='http://silenceandvoice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you have further thoughts, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Keefer</title>
		<link>http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/e-learning-20-for-personal-and-group-learning/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Keefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking about metadialog occurring! http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/malcolm-gladwell-in-astd-general-session-keynote/#comment-732 . 

Wikis and blogs may be the primary fodder of educational technology, but they are still somewhat limited in corporate and other large organizations. Yes, there are large exceptions (such as IBM), and I think I have a sense why (completely non-formally evidence-based). 

Knowledge management is a challenge because I believe, people do not want to share all their tacit knowledge and (seemingly) make themselves unnecessary in their roles, as they no longer hoard their information and use it as a leverage (power) tool. 

Blogs and wikis in turn offer knowledge sharing (and thus knowledge management), and thus comes with all the power and leverage issues that lead to internal political challenges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking about metadialog occurring! <a href="http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/malcolm-gladwell-in-astd-general-session-keynote/#comment-732" rel="nofollow">http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/malcolm-gladwell-in-astd-general-session-keynote/#comment-732</a> . </p>
<p>Wikis and blogs may be the primary fodder of educational technology, but they are still somewhat limited in corporate and other large organizations. Yes, there are large exceptions (such as IBM), and I think I have a sense why (completely non-formally evidence-based). </p>
<p>Knowledge management is a challenge because I believe, people do not want to share all their tacit knowledge and (seemingly) make themselves unnecessary in their roles, as they no longer hoard their information and use it as a leverage (power) tool. </p>
<p>Blogs and wikis in turn offer knowledge sharing (and thus knowledge management), and thus comes with all the power and leverage issues that lead to internal political challenges.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lott</title>
		<link>http://silenceandvoice.com/archives/2008/06/02/e-learning-20-for-personal-and-group-learning/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He is claiming that learning is going more and more toward learners using blogs and wikis and social bookmarking within their learning processes. I wish he were not so pressed for time, as it would have been useful to discuss this. I am not sure what he means by this."

This is pretty much THE big trend in education and educational technology today and the primary fodder for a host of edubloggers. You might start there... unless I am misunderstanding what you aren't understanding :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He is claiming that learning is going more and more toward learners using blogs and wikis and social bookmarking within their learning processes. I wish he were not so pressed for time, as it would have been useful to discuss this. I am not sure what he means by this.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is pretty much THE big trend in education and educational technology today and the primary fodder for a host of edubloggers. You might start there&#8230; unless I am misunderstanding what you aren&#8217;t understanding <img src='http://silenceandvoice.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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